Monday, November 06, 2006
Does Anyone Out There Resonate with this Haggard Thought?
From the Resonate Internet Discussion. (Bill says it better than I can at this moment):
Warren, your question bothered me some [which is good] - because Ididn't know how to answer. And to make matters worse I feel a pontification coming on.
My mum is now in her 80's - and she is lefthanded. In school she was caned as a 'klute'. In Latin, lefthandedis 'sinister' in French 'gauche'. But now we know that it is simply a kind of standard deviance in God's creation. We know there is a continuum, with most folk being clearly right handed, some clearly left handed and some in the middle. I suspect we will find the same about sexual orientation.
Before acceptance, however, comes tolerance.Tho I don't like the analagy much, unlike our Muslim brothers and sisters, most Christians have come to tolerate interest on money[usury]. Not only tolerate, we've come to participate in the system. Our churches take out mortgages and members have RSP's. Yet in the bible usury is condemned at least as often as homosexuality. We admit women without hats, even with braided hair, and, gasp, allow them to speak instead of requiring they ask their husbands later.
Many Christians are offended by gay pornography, overt sexuality atGay Pride days, and, particularly, by promiscuity. Makes sense. We'd be offended by the same among heterosexuals. But . . .What if we accept the fact that homosexuality is not going to go away. It's always been there in human society [and among other critters as well, but that's a different matter] then what's the best way for a Christian to respond?
Wouldn't we want to encourage, notdiscourage, sexual fidelity? Stability? If a gay couple wants to stand before God, make a commitment to be sexually faithful to theother, to be honest, and loving, and kind, and supportive - why would we oppose this?
If we inisist on denying them the chance to have God-blessed, prayer-fused, commitment based relationships we will be forcing them into the nether realms, the dark corners of hidden sexuality.
So Warren I want to encourage your community to support/tolerate Gay marriage, to prayerfully engage in exporing the areas of ambiguity [and there are many] with healthy, committed Christian gay couples.This was a help in my life. Why oppose commitment? Why oppose folk wanting God to be integral to their union?This is probably familiar to most folk, but some might not have seen this nice animated bit on
'The Gay Agenda"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/02/18/fioreagenda.DTL
For what its worth, I had a pretty strong conversion on this, I was,at one time, vehemently opposed. . .Bill
amen
The Impossibleape
couldn't have said it better myself
(but I will try someday)
anyone wishing to visit o'bill can do so at
http://theoldbill.typepad.com/
Warren, your question bothered me some [which is good] - because Ididn't know how to answer. And to make matters worse I feel a pontification coming on.
My mum is now in her 80's - and she is lefthanded. In school she was caned as a 'klute'. In Latin, lefthandedis 'sinister' in French 'gauche'. But now we know that it is simply a kind of standard deviance in God's creation. We know there is a continuum, with most folk being clearly right handed, some clearly left handed and some in the middle. I suspect we will find the same about sexual orientation.
Before acceptance, however, comes tolerance.Tho I don't like the analagy much, unlike our Muslim brothers and sisters, most Christians have come to tolerate interest on money[usury]. Not only tolerate, we've come to participate in the system. Our churches take out mortgages and members have RSP's. Yet in the bible usury is condemned at least as often as homosexuality. We admit women without hats, even with braided hair, and, gasp, allow them to speak instead of requiring they ask their husbands later.
Many Christians are offended by gay pornography, overt sexuality atGay Pride days, and, particularly, by promiscuity. Makes sense. We'd be offended by the same among heterosexuals. But . . .What if we accept the fact that homosexuality is not going to go away. It's always been there in human society [and among other critters as well, but that's a different matter] then what's the best way for a Christian to respond?
Wouldn't we want to encourage, notdiscourage, sexual fidelity? Stability? If a gay couple wants to stand before God, make a commitment to be sexually faithful to theother, to be honest, and loving, and kind, and supportive - why would we oppose this?
If we inisist on denying them the chance to have God-blessed, prayer-fused, commitment based relationships we will be forcing them into the nether realms, the dark corners of hidden sexuality.
So Warren I want to encourage your community to support/tolerate Gay marriage, to prayerfully engage in exporing the areas of ambiguity [and there are many] with healthy, committed Christian gay couples.This was a help in my life. Why oppose commitment? Why oppose folk wanting God to be integral to their union?This is probably familiar to most folk, but some might not have seen this nice animated bit on
'The Gay Agenda"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/02/18/fioreagenda.DTL
For what its worth, I had a pretty strong conversion on this, I was,at one time, vehemently opposed. . .Bill
amen
The Impossibleape
couldn't have said it better myself
(but I will try someday)
anyone wishing to visit o'bill can do so at
http://theoldbill.typepad.com/
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